Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!umich!samsung!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!CORNELLC!WRT From: WRT@CORNELLC.BITNET (Bill Turner, Cornell University Library) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notis-l Subject: Programmers Message-ID: Date: 2 Feb 90 14:04:23 GMT Sender: NOTIS/DOBIS discussion group list Reply-To: NOTIS/DOBIS discussion group list Lines: 10 Approved: NETNEWS@PSUVM Gateway In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 1 Feb 90 13:52:21 EST from Yes, old-fashioned programming is rapidly becoming a lost art. Cornell once taught a lot of mainframe programming, but what the Computer Science dept. now considers a "mainframe" is a MicroVAX running UNIX. PL/I, COBOL, and Assembler are all gone, replaced by Pascal and C running on the Vaxen or micros. The current environment is very interesting. New applications are being done here mostly using Natural (Software AG's 4GL), but after they're done, the response time is abysmal. NOTIS, on the other hand, is a major pain to work on, but once it's going, it gives far superior response time...