Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!leah!bingvaxu!cjoslyn From: cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Chinese Room by Shannon and McCarthy from 1956 Message-ID: <2903@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: 3 Feb 90 02:42:32 GMT References: <2891@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> Reply-To: cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) Organization: SUNY Binghamton, NY Lines: 20 In article hwajin@ganges.wrs.com (Hwa Jin Bae) writes: >I cannot help but marvelling at his career that is entirely >based on this Chinese Room nonsense. My own impression is that the Chinese room argument is a correct and obviously simple rebuttal to the claim that the TTT is both a necessary and sufficient condition for something to be intelligent. I doubt that this is what Turing claimed, however, and it's hardly a stopping point for discussion in cognitive science. Rather it's a small, natural and naive starting point in any discussion about machine intelligence. As to Searle's personal success with the idea, it's probably just that his Gedanken experiment is nicely held in the mind in a "cute" manner, and it's very clever. Again, Shannon summarized the position in that one paragraph, yet he wasn't famous for it. -- O-------------------------------------------------------------------------> | Cliff Joslyn, Cybernetician at Large, cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu | Systems Science, SUNY Binghamton, Box 1070, Binghamton NY 13901, USA V All the world is biscuit shaped. . .