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From: radzy@radzy.UUCP (Tim Radzykewycz)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Eliminating Species Bias from the Turing Test
Keywords: Turing Test, non-human
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Date: 2 Feb 90 22:10:25 GMT
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Reply-To: radzy@radzy.PacBell.COM (Tim Radzykewycz)
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In all the discussion I've seen about the Turing test, people
have often brought up the possibility of asking the question
"Are you human?"  In all the other discussions (e.g. other than
this one on the net) SOMEBODY has always brought up the point
that the HUMAN in the test might also lie.  I guess I have to
be the one this time.

How can the person asking the question know for certain that
the answers of either subject (e.g. human or computer program)
are true?  What are the criteria which s/he can use to determine
this?

If you were the one asking the questions, would you ask this
question and base your decision on the result?  What about the
possibility of a program which simply printed one of "yes", "no",
and "maybe" at random after receiving any input?

This discussion has gone too long looking only at the computer
program side of things.  You also have to look at the other
side, the one with a human behind it.

That's my humble opinion, anyway.

		-- Tim "radzy" Radzykewycz
		   The Incredible Radical Cabbage

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