Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!umich!mailrus!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: tjr@ihnet.att.com (Thomas J Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Phone Calls at the Speed of Light Message-ID: <3544@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 90 15:42:54 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 43 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 77, message 6 of 5 From article <3396@accuvax.nwu.edu>, by boomer@athena.princeton.edu (Don Alvarez): > In article <3335@accuvax.nwu.edu> eli@pws.bull.com writes: >> [table of signal velocity characteristics in wire deleted] > Since the slowest speed listed here is about 94% C, and one can only > assume wires have gotten better, not worse in the last 47 years, we > clearly should all drop our fiber optic lines and go back to copper. > (God, how I hate waiting for those 20ms delays!) > -don Of course, the delay in the wire is only a small part of the total delay. Every modem (digital communication only) adds >1000 microseconds of delay. Every analog amplifier adds several to many microseconds of delay. Every analog Frequency Division Multiplexor adds several to many microseconds delay. Every digital regenerator adds up to a microsecond of delay. Every Analog->Digital or Digital->Analog conversion adds up to 125 microseconds of delay. Every time-slot-interchange within a digital switching system adds 125 microseconds of delay. Every satellite hop adds >100,000 microseconds of delay (but most of us don't have to worry about this). After you add all of these up, you then get to double the delay if you're concerned about the round-trip delay (and normally that's what is of interest). Fiber is very different, as the regenerators add only a few to many nanoseconds of delay, and they are spaced further apart. But the signal propagation in the fiber is slower than that of a wire or of a radio channel. The analysis of round-trip delay on a telecommunications channel is VERY complicated, and is extremely route dependent. If your path traverses a packet network, things can get downright bizarre. Note that signal delay is only a minor consideration when telcos engineer a transmission path (cost is the major factor, capacity, ease of maintenance, and reliability overwhelm delay considerations). Tom Roberts att!ihlpl!tjrob