Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!umich!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!netcom!barry From: barry@netcom.UUCP (Kenn Barry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Better Graphics Summary: kludges. Keywords: graphics display Message-ID: <6646@netcom.UUCP> Date: 5 Feb 90 04:34:57 GMT References: <1010@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> <345@vixen.uucp> <354@vixen.uucp> <5539@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM> Organization: NetCom- The Bay Area's Public Access Unix System {408 249-0290 guest} Lines: 34 In article <5539@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM> wayneck@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM (Wayne C Knapp) writes: >In article <354@vixen.uucp>, joe@vixen.uucp (Joe Hitchens) writes: >> OK, if all of the special BB stuff is ENTIRELY transparent to me as >> an artist, ok. But what about this, is the IFF file going to be stored >> as a standard 8-bitplane IFF ILBM that can be displayed on a SUN or PC >> with absolutely no change on their part? > >Wow! An Artist puts every programmer on the net to shame. He is right, >this is the key issue of IFF, clearly if BBVB stores IFF in the fashion >we been told, then the only program that can use that IFF is one that >works with the BBVB! It will be unlikely that programs that support IFF >on other machines will have any code to handle the BBVB generated IFF and >the result will not be a 256 color picture. So putting a cookie in the >bitmap data of an IFF file does make it unportable. Yeah, well, that's all very interesting, but it's more than a bit late for this kind of complaint about the Amiga's graphics, guys. By the offered definition, the Amiga's original HAM mode is ALSO a kludge. It's an Amiga-exclusive and, just like the BBVB pics, would not display properly on some other machine that supported IFF, but expected X bitplanes for 2^X colors. It just happens that most Amiga IFF programs understand HAM mode, because it's supported on Amigas (and choke on an honest 8-bitplane IFF image, incidentally). You're right - they're kludges, HAM included. But they work, and format converters can be written to translate such pics for compatibility with other machines. And when you remember that the Amiga included a graphics kludge for large numbers of colors right from the git-go, it's kinda silly to get all righteous about a new kludge, long as it works. - Note new email address! - Kenn Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------- ELECTRIC AVENUE: apple!netcom!barry