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From: horen@cadence.com (Jonathan Horen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: commercially available X11 applications
Message-ID: <1990Feb2.160933.24466@cadence.com>
Date: 2 Feb 90 16:09:33 GMT
Organization: Cadence Design Systems (TechPubs Group)
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In-Reply-To: <1522@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>
To: howcome@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU

In article <1522@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> you write:
>Does anyone keep a list of commercially available X11-applications
>running on SUNs? I am looking for spread-sheets, databases and
>integrated solutions. Unfortunately, X11 needs these kinds of
>applications to compete favorably with MS-windows, Macintosh etc.
>
>I don't ask for desktop publishing recommendations since I already use
>FrameMaker. If anyone care about my opinion: it is a superb product!

Well, I'm not so thrilled with FrameMaker (I am a diehard Interleaf fan)
but that's what my present employer is using, so ...

Tell me: are you using FrameMaker1.3X? I am, with X11/XNeWS and Motif,
and find that FrameMaker1.3X is an ill-behaved client.

1. Unless I set Mwm*background and Mwm*foreground to "black" and "white",
   respectively, *any* configuring of Mwm/client resources that I do
   causes my FrameMaker interactive boxes (file select, tools, etc) to
   appear in reverse-video.

2. If I pop-up the Window Menu on the FrameMaker1.3X client and choose CLOSE,
   FrameMaker1.3X "dies", but the FMconsole part stays there, a frame +
   background, without any "insides".

3. Have you tried getting front/back quotes with FrameMaker1.3X? With
   FrameMaker1.3 you press Meta-leftquote/Meta-rightquote, respectively.
   Try that with FrameMaker1.3X and you get just single left/right quotes.

I know, I know; go tell this to Frame!! Well, I did. I spoke to their
Tech Support twice (they're 2 miles away from me, both companies being
in San Jose, CA), and they couldn't even *begin* to help me. I requested
a list of FrameMaker1.3X's user-configurable X-resources, and they said,
"Huh?"

I feel like the beginning of that late '50s/early '60s TV show, "Naked
City" -- there are a million stories, this is one of them. Sigh.

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