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From: randall@uvaarpa.virginia.edu (Randall Atkinson)
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Subject: Re: soc.culture.vietnamese
Message-ID: <2447@uvaarpa.virginia.edu>
Date: 5 Feb 90 21:35:18 GMT
References: <7884@chaph.usc.edu>
Reply-To: randall@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU (Randall Atkinson)
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In article <7884@chaph.usc.edu> aitrangt@alcor.usc.edu () writes:
>Regarding the politics mentioned in the charter of soc.culture.vietnamese,
>I think it means to be the government & politics of Vietnam right now..
>Politics also fall under the culture of one people... We are limiting
>to Vietnamese related issue, not just general politics.........  

The vote is on the charter as worded in the CALL FOR VOTES and no where
in that charter does it say government and politics of Viet-Nam only and 
many many people will read that charter and point to it and say see
here where it allows politics so American politics of the war in Viet-Nam
is allowed here explicitly.

>I do agree that the issues under soc.culture.vietnamese are rather broad,
>but if everything fall under culture then we just have to live with
>it, since we can't split it up further under USENET right now..

I do not accept that "politics" necessarily is part of culture
and certainly it is NOT the case that we cannot exclude politics
from soc.culture.vietnamese.  Under USENET guidelines and custom,
the charter could have said no politics here or only politics of
Vietnamese in Vietnam (no foreign politics) or whatever.  The 
proposer chose not to do this, but it could have been done under
USENET rules.

The charter should have restricted itself to culture and language and
since it hasn't, I urge others to vote NO now and prevent another
flamefest in the soc groups like soc.culture.china has become.

  Ran