Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!dmark From: dmark@acsu.Buffalo.EDU (David Mark) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: What distinguishes a species? Message-ID: <16447@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Date: 29 Jan 90 21:51:12 GMT References: <33962@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: nobody@acsu.Buffalo.EDU Distribution: usa Organization: SUNY at Buffalo Lines: 40 In article <33962@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> bwood@janus.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Blake Philip Wood) writes: >I'm aware that the inability to interbreed is the standard definition >of two populations being of differing species, but more precisely, >is it: > >a) can't physically mate due to differing genitals. >b) could, but don't mate due to differing sexual lures, rituals, etc. >c) can mate but produce no offspring. >d) can mate but produce sterile offspring, ie. horse+donkey=mule. > >or is it several of the above? > It is several of the above, and more. It also could be: e) can mate, and produce fertile offspring, but those offspring have strong selective disadvantages, and don't succeed in producing as many offspring of their own as a non-hybrid would. f) can mate, and produce healthy, vigorous, fertile offspring, but the next generation after that has selective disadvantages. The current "biological species" model popularized by Ernst Mayr, just is concerned about whether forms *DO* interbreeed freely in the wild, not whether they can. A commonly used example is the ducks, Mallard (Anas platyrhinchus) and Pintail (Anas acuta). Hybrids are very rare in the wild, and they overlap through most of the Pintail's breeding range. In captivity, in the absence of same-species, opposite-sex, they will freely interbreed. The young, and subsequent generations apparently are fully fertile and viable. They are separated normally in the wild by different courtship rituals, etc. In the Mayrian view, two forms should not be lumped if both parental types occur throughout the overlap zone. For other groups, especially plants, the Mayrian definition is not really applicable. Systematic botanists tend to use a morphological species definition more often. David Mark > Blake P. Wood - bwood@janus.Berkeley.EDU > Plasmas and Non-Linear Dynamics, U.C. Berkeley, EECS