Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!tank!cps3xx!netnews.upenn.edu!pender!rowe From: rowe@pender (Mickey Rowe) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Suicidal lemmings? (was Re: War and Peace and Chimpanzees) Message-ID: <19880@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 2 Feb 90 14:07:36 GMT References: <12900@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> <1283@oravax.UUCP> <31315@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU> <19712@netnews.upenn.edu> <12994@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Reply-To: rowe@pender (Mickey Rowe) Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 27 First, thanks to Krista for actually doing some research and not just posting opinions and half-remembered fragments of information (like I usually do :) There was something that she said, however, that I was under the impression was not considered true any more. In article <12994@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> kja@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (krista.j.anderson) writes: >There are certain mechanisms I've heard of that take effect under >crowded conditions. Lemmings go nuts and run into the sea in >their panic. >-- >Krista A. >HONOR Our Neighbors' Original Rights! Although it is true that lemmings perform strange mass migrations, I thought the mass suicide idea had been abandoned. I remember hearing a rumor once that some people making a documentary meant to show this occurrence got tired of waiting for it to happen, and filmed a bunch of lemmings jumping off of a cliff (but not showing the people herding them over the edge :(. Do biologists still believe that there are naturally occurring conditions under which lemming will do this? Mickey Rowe (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)