Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: TTAERUM@ualtavm.bitnet Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Alchohol: Good or Evil? Message-ID: Date: 5 Feb 90 09:04:34 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 23 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu I thought the discussion on wine/graph juice was quite interesting. Much of our present argument about whether or not Jesus drank wine comes from people who have fridges and get their grape juice from Safeway. In a climate which is hot, there is no such thing as grape juice which does not (and is not) naturally fermenting. In fact, if the grape juice does not ferment, the only thing that can happen is the juice will go bad (become foul tasting). The notion that Jesus only drank grape juice, therefore, borders on the miraculous. The notion of Jesus being a wine-bibber probably stems from questions about his parentage (most notably whether Joseph was his real father - which even Joseph would agree was not the case). There is the notion within 'generation theology' (ravens give birth to ravens, good people give birth to good people, ...) that the product of an adulterous relationship will be adulterous (loose living, imbibing ...). There are other quasi-slanderous comments made about Jesus in the Gospels which are couched in phrases related to questions about who his father is. Jesus responds, of course, that G-d is his father. Terry Taerum