Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uunet!aplcen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!auvm!WOOSTER!MIWD9395 From: MIWD9395@WOOSTER.BITNET Newsgroups: bit.listserv.disarm-l Subject: Len,Len,Len Message-ID: Date: 9 Feb 90 14:24:00 GMT Sender: Disarmament Discussion List Reply-To: Disarmament Discussion List Lines: 13 Approved: NETNEWS@AUVM Gateway X-VMS-To: IN::"disarm-l@albnyvm1.bitnet" If anyone on this list is trying to support either the US gov't or the general population of this country as the "ideal" and the "moral" leaders of the world, I must object. I feel that our SYSTEM may POSSIBLY be ideal if everyone in it would be. However, a look at very recent history shows that this is not now a perfect nation. Our involvement in El Salvador is difficult to support morally. The air strike on Libya may have be affective, but was it morally justifiable (considering all the vague and distorted data the government used to justify it)? Are voter turnout data consistent with the ideal democracy? This list is a discussion of what we can each do to make our own countries more ideal (by eliminating, at least partially, nuclear and conventional weapons) not a flag-waving session. I thought people on this list were disillusioned with the current system and wanted to change, not support it. Bill