Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!mcsun!unido!tub!fauern!tumuc!guug!pcsbst! From: roland@cochise.pcs.com (Roland Rambau) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Simulating thinking is NOT like simulating flying Keywords: Strong AI, Weak AI, methodology, simulating thought Message-ID: <1990Feb7.174646.245@pcsbst.pcs.com> Date: 7 Feb 90 17:46:46 GMT References: <13212@cs.yale.edu> <74@cogsci.ucsd.EDU> Sender: @pcsbst.pcs.com Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH Lines: 35 norman@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Donald A Norman-UCSD Cog Sci Dept) writes: -> Do not confuse simulation with reality. A simulated airplane does not -> actually fly: a simulated intelligence does not actually think. -> ->The point which I address now is that a real airplane moves through the ->air, which a simulation can't do, but a real human having thoughts moves ->information, which a simulation can do. I think You have left out an essential point, that is: Is the simulation 'realtime' ? This is IMHO _not_ an unimportant technical detail. Consider as a gedankenexperiment some _real human_ exactly like You and me :-) but living on a timescale several orders of magnitude different from ours ( So his lifespan would be either several million years, or just parts of a second ). Would we accept this fictious man as an intelligent being like us, or would we rather call it a total different physical phenomenon ? I suppose we would _not_ call it intelligent, and so we do not call simulations intelligent if they are orders of magnitude slow. ( Its not a coincidence that most intelligence tests are to be performed under strong time constraints :-) -- I know that You believe You understand what You think I said, but I'm not sure You realize that what You heard is not what I meant. Roland Rambau rra@cochise.pcs.com, {unido|pyramid}!pcsbst!rra, 2:507/414.2.fidonet I know that You believe You understand what You think I said, but I'm not sure You realize that what You heard is not what I meant. Roland Rambau