Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!ogicse!blake!mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: NeXT and Multics-bashing Message-ID: <5646@blake.acs.washington.edu> Date: 7 Feb 90 18:19:54 GMT Sender: news@blake.acs.washington.edu Organization: Mendou Zaibatsu, Tomobiki-Cho, Butsumetsu-Shi Lines: 52 Anyone who claims that "Multics sucked" probably never used Multics or only used Multics as a casual user. If Multics (or, for that matter, Tenex) cycles had been available to Dennis Ritchie when he asked for them, he never would have written Unix. It may be said that Tenex and TOPS-20 are powerful operating systems hidden behind a powerless environment, whereas Unix is a powerless operating system hidden behind a powerful environment. The demise of the former and success of the latter attests to which is more important today. Multics, however, was a powerful operating system with a powerful environment...and died solely due to marketing (actually, marketing had a good hand in the death of TOPS-20 but that's another story...). This relates to the NeXT. When comp.sys.next first started half of the messages were from non-NeXT users bashing the NeXT. I don't know why they are getting so emotional about it. If the NeXT fails, it fails. The existing NeXT's out there will still be perfectly good Unix boxes. Most of the Unix fanatics here are NeXT users, and not a few of them switched from SUN, etc. gear to the NeXT. Most of them don't care all that much about NeXTStep or NeXT the company. Right now, the NeXT is one of the most pleasant Unix boxes to use. Where NeXT is more likely to lose it is in dumb things like refusing to come up with a good terminal emulator. The problem with Communicae is that it costs money. It should be bundled with the NeXT. I'm the most heavily involved with NeXTStep development in my group. But that is really peripheral to my real work, which is expressed in totally portable code. Yes, application startup is a bit slow at times and I wish printing didn't eat my machine alive. But virtually all of the time I am sitting in the editor. When I compile, it generally happens fast enough, even with big and complex Objective-C files, that I don't have enough time to get a cup of coffee before it's finished. Most of the time the machine is waiting for me instead of the other way around. So the NeXT serves me just fine as a development tool. Would I buy one as a home computer? Probably not. I would be quite happy to accept one though. It's not a machine to get all emotional over, but it serves. _____ ____ ---+--- /-\ Mark Crispin Atheist & Proud _|_|_ _|_ || ___|__ / / 6158 Lariat Loop NE R90/6 pilot |_|_|_| /|\-++- |=====| / / Bainbridge Island, WA "Gaijin! Gaijin!" --|-- | |||| |_____| / \ USA 98110-2098 "Gaijin ha doko ka?" /|\ | |/\| _______ / \ +1 (206) 842-2385 "Niichan ha gaijin." / | \ | |__| / \ / \ mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU "Chigau. Gaijin ja nai. kisha no kisha ga kisha de kisha-shita Omae ha gaijin darou." sumomo mo momo, momo mo momo, momo ni mo iroiro aru "Iie, boku ha nihonjin." uraniwa ni wa niwa, niwa ni wa niwa niwatori ga iru "Souka. Yappari gaijin!"