Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!snorkelwacker!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!sdl From: sdl@lyra.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvinchouk) Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: Future evolution of Smalltalk-80 Message-ID: Date: 12 Feb 90 15:40:48 GMT References: <6836@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM> Sender: news@linus.UUCP Distribution: comp.lang.smalltalk Organization: The Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA Lines: 60 In-reply-to: jans@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM's message of 9 Feb 90 21:29:20 GMT In article <6836@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM> jans@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman) writes: > Smalltalk will be like? Also, are there any plans to provide some kind of > "Interface Builder" to facilitate developing user interfaces without so much > MVC hacking?> > > What do you mean, "much awaited"? A solid color model has been available in > Tek Smalltalk since 1986! Over two person-years went into Tek Color Smalltalk, > with much of that spent on building a layered architecture. Personally, I'd > love to see the portable part become a standard, but there's NIH to deal with. I'm aware of this. What I meant was having color as part of the "standard" ParcPlace definition; I asked Peter Deutsch at OOPSLA whether Parc would simply adopt Tek's color model, but I didn't get a positive response. > Also available with Tek Smalltalk is Glazier, a user interface builder. I've > played with it a bit -- It's not as spiffy as NeXT's IB, but hey, it comes with > source! See OOPSLA '87 proceedings: "Painless Panes for Smalltalk Windows" by > Jim Alexander. I'm aware of this too. But when I asked Jim Alexander if the source code could be made available to those of us (like myself) who own ParcPlace's implementation rather than Tek's, I didn't get a positive response either. Can someone at Tek upload Glazier to the ParcBench bulletin board? Please forgive me if this sounds like a flame. It's just that it would be nice that future enhancements to Smalltalk would continue to be relatively standard across implementations. It would be too bad if Tek, ParcPlace and Digitalk all adopted different color models, for example! Steven Litvintchouk MITRE Corporation Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 (617)271-7753 ARPA: sdl@mbunix.mitre.org UUCP: ...{att,decvax,genrad,ll-xn,philabs,utzoo}!linus!sdl "Where does he get those wonderful toys?" -- J. Nicholson -- Steven Litvintchouk MITRE Corporation Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 (617)271-7753 ARPA: sdl@mbunix.mitre.org UUCP: ...{att,decvax,genrad,ll-xn,philabs,utzoo}!linus!sdl "Where does he get those wonderful toys?" -- J. Nicholson