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From: tkevans@fallst.UUCP (Tim Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Mailbridge between the Internet and cc:Mail (PC LAN package)
Summary: cc:Mail <--> UUCP Gateway at SSA
Message-ID: <1575@fallst.UUCP>
Date: 11 Feb 90 12:36:22 GMT
References: <9002081357.aa23656@Note.NSF.GOV>
Organization: Fallston, MD
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In article <9002081357.aa23656@Note.NSF.GOV>, mmorse@NSF.GOV writes:
> 
> I've also
> enclosed limited information on similar gateways running at Proteon
> and other sites.
> 
>         There are two other protocols that have been used successfully: 
> UUCP and SMTP.
> 
> You can purchase a UUCP gateway from Oregon State.  Write to:
> 
>         Richard Kinoshita -- kinoshir@ccmail.orst.edu  (Internet)
>                             kinoshir@ORSTVM           (BITNET)
> 
> [Since I wrote this, cc:Mail has hired Richard to develop and support
> gateways.  --MHM]
> 
We run Richard's package (called "OutMail") at the Social Security Admini-
stration in Baltimore, where we have a potential universe of 5,000+ E-Mail
users--1,200 UNIX and 4,000 DOS users.

As Mike notes, Richard is now employed by cc:Mail, Inc., where, as I 
understand it, he's primarily working on a SMTP package that cc:Mail will
sell and support.  He's been fairly responsive to my requests for bug
fixes in OutMail.  Since SSA has a major contract with cc:Mail, we were
able to get OutMail; you may not because the copyright is held by Oregon
State.  (BTW, Richard's OSU mail address still works, even though he's
working in Palo Alto.)

With respect to the overall package, as Mike points out, cc:Mail works
well in the DOS environment.  Because most of our users, both DOS and
UNIX, are relatively unsophisticated, though, they've been having 
trouble understanding and using the gateway to get E-Mail to each other.
Of particular note is the uuencode/uudecode feature noted above.  This
is most a user problem, not a problem with cc:Mail or OutMail--obviously.

The one comment that should be made, though, is that cc:Mail is an
expen$ive package and that, in order to run any sort of gateway, 
including the public domain ones Mike describes in this posting, you
have to buy expen$ive add-ons from cc:Mail.  cc:Mail's message format
is some sort of encrypted, compressed one that is a proprietary secret,
so you have to buy the Import/Export utilities from them. Presumably,
the SMTP gateway Richard is working on will also be expen$ive.

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not speaking for SSA; I just administer the gateway.

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