Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!iuvax!watmath!bstempleton From: bstempleton@watmath.waterloo.edu (Brad Templeton) Newsgroups: comp.sources.d Subject: Re: Paying for Shareware (Was: Re: v09i070: newsclip 1.1...) Message-ID: <34142@watmath.waterloo.edu> Date: 10 Feb 90 00:55:55 GMT References: <13986@s.ms.uky.edu> <33975@watmath.waterloo.edu> <2488@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP> Reply-To: bstempleton@watmath.waterloo.edu (Brad Templeton) Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 31 I guess I will have to give up asking this question. Nobody has yet to say what the difference between copying a file from the news spools on (usually somebody else's) machine and downloading from a BBS, yours or somebody else's. The reason is that there isn't a difference. Both are non-passive actions. Both get you a copy of the software which the author has permitted you to get. If you go to the trouble and cost of subscribing to USENET (somebody called USENET unsolicited! Tee hee) and shareware comes to you through that route, it's because the author wanted you to have a copy. If you download shareware from a BBS or get it at a swap fest, it's because the author wanted you to have a copy. No difference here. And in both cases, it's pretty explicit that the author gave you this copy... for evaluation. If shareware via usenet is invalid, then so is shareware by any other means, except an mutually agreed upon evaluation contract. And if you want the law to require a mutually agreed evaluation contract in all cases, then you're asking for a world of lawyers and of virtually no good shareware. You may get what you ask for. To the best of my knowledge, these laws are new enough that no court has ruled on whether "you may copy for evaluation purposes only" is a valid restriction a copyright holder may place on copying. We may never know. None of use know, that's for sure. I still think it is improper to ignore such a restriction, law or no law, simply because I know it is the code that has the value, not the bits on the disk. This "unsolicited book" mentality comes from people who think software should cost $2 because disks cost that. -- Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software, Waterloo, Ont. (519) 884-7473