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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (HIM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Better Graphics
Keywords: graphics display
Message-ID: <25d0435c:3887.10comp.sys.amiga;1@tronsbox.UUCP>
Date: 7 Feb 90 16:35:29 GMT
References: <1010@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> <6646@netcom.UUCP>
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>  Resp: 7 of 9 by *Masked* at vixen.uucp
>Author: [Joe Hitchens]
>  Date: Tue Feb 06 1990 11:33 
> Lines: 69
>> But the PC VGA card is a "kludge" by that defibition. It is a harware
>> PERIPHERIAL that overcomes the limitation of PC's (no built in video). By

>Please, I specifically pointed out that I was not saying a KLUDGE was
>necessarily "bad".  I was just trying to explain why I used the word.

Ok.. I understand know .. but to the rest of the world KLUDGE has many more
negative connotations than you seem to put on it.

>> >Amiga.  Notice I didn't say "programming", I said "GRAPHICS".  I
>> >DRAW pictures, I don't write neat programs to generate them or manipulate
>> >them.
>>
>> Then please don't presume to know how the BB will affect software
>> developers.
>
>Actually I am not presuming. I DO in fact do those things.
>I said that I don't do programming so as not to confuse the issue.
>I "DO" program quite a bit and have made a
 
BUT -- when you start discussing the internals of something like this then
you are in the realm of programming , and , by leaving that avenue of
explanation out ARE confusing it.

BTW -- Sorry my reply was such a flame but it really upset me when you sadi
that you don't program and then started in about the programming.,

>Forgive my imperfections.  But my statement still stands about 

Ditto.

>OK, if all of the special BB stuff is ENTIRELY transparent to me as
>an artist, ok.  But what about this, is the IFF file going to be stored
>as a standard 8-bitplane IFF ILBM that can be displayed on a SUN or PC
>with absolutely no change on their part?

This is a software question. The picture can be stored any whay you want ,
three field 24 bit images, 8 plane IFF (to lazy to do that math by the way --
 how many planes would the BB REALLY need.)

>plug it into my amiga, sit down, load DPaint 7 (BB compatible DPaint),
>select 256 color mode, edit a picture EXACTLY as I used to only with
>256 color registers, never have ANY contact in ANY way on the amiga
>(paint program, screen dragging, ILBM reading into my animation
>program, etc).

Yes. That is certainly the way it was explained to me. 

>with magic cookies and such, save the picture, dnet the file to a sun

There is no reason to save the MAGIC cookies if you dont want to. The
program on the Amiga top maipulate the 8 plane picture will simply set up
the cokies for the display when it SHOWS you the picture. No need to save it
in the file at all.   The >ONLY< reason that one would save the cookies with
the file would be , a NORMAL >DISPLAY< program can show a picture with magic
cookies imbedded and it will look right.

>which reads standard 8-plane IFF ILBMS, and say "show picture" on the sun
>and see the SAME picture as a perfectly normal 8-bitplane ILBM
>exactly like any other that may have come from another non-amiga source?

Yes. This is >SOFTWARE< and up to the developers of DPAINT.

>BUT!!!!! I would STILL call it a KLUDGE.  If the mode could be
>completely transparent, and the pictures stored as standard 8-plane
>ILBMS, then I may consider it an acceptable KLUDGE.

Hmm... as I say ... by your definition all hard drives , video cards, most
modems (the list goes on) are kludges so ..

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