Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!intercon!news From: amanda@mermaid.intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Re: EtherTalk Question Message-ID: <1990Feb8.040223.1498@intercon.com> Date: 8 Feb 90 04:02:23 GMT References: <19790@bellcore.bellcore.com> Sender: @intercon.com Reply-To: amanda@mermaid.intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Sterling, VA Lines: 57 In article <19790@bellcore.bellcore.com>, sdh@flash.bellcore.com (Stephen D Hawley) writes: > This is not what I want. Since I'm on an ethernet with billions and > billions of other machines (most of which are suns, decstations, and the like), > I should be able to start a shell on one of the machines right? Well, an Ethernet board in itself does not automatically give you this capability, any more than it would on any other machine... > So. How do I do this? NCSA telnet does not work, so this is clearly of no > help in terms of looking for source. I don't know if it's all that clear--NCSA Telnet seems to work for many thousands of people all around the world, using Ethernet boards from many different manufacturers in many different kinds of Macs. Perhaps you could be a little more specific about how it is failing for you... > As a minor flame, I am rather disturbed by the almost complete lack of any > kind of technical information in the manual for the card. A quite in-depth technical description of the card, as well as the Ethernet and EtherTalk drivers, is available from Apple. It is completely worthless to someone who is using the card with pre-existing software. If you need it for programming, you can buy it for a nominal fee; if you don't, you don't have to pay for it (or be confused by it, for that matter). This isn't a PC-- you don't need to know the I/O map for a device before you can use it :-). You can also get a complete TCP/IP driver (with sample code and complete documentation) from Apple. It's called MacTCP, and costs $100 for a single copy, $2500 for a non-commercial use site license. This will let you open TCP connections to other machines and transfer data across them. It's a little more complex than using the serial driver, but as long as you have a reasonable amount of Macintosh programming experience and some knowledge of TCP/IP, it's not at all hard to use. > Hmf. > > Steve Hawley > sdh@flash.bellcore.com Of course, if you don't have the time or inclination to call Apple and see if they have the information you want, or do some troubleshooting to find out why NCSA Telnet doesn't work on your machine, there are a number of companies who specialize in commercial, supported TCP/IP software, and who will walk customers through setup, configuration, and problem determination. I'm sorry if this article sounds flippant, but I answer questions about Mac Ethernet devices and TCP/IP networks every day, and most problems are due to confusion or just plain old operator error. -- Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view." --Obi-Wan Kenobi in "Return of the Jedi"