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From: bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare)
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Subject: Re: Phil & Dave, where are you?  All is forgiven: come home!
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Date: 13 Feb 90 20:37:13 GMT
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In article <6635@internal.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) 
writes:
> From: rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer
> Subject: Re: Phil & Dave, where are you?  All is forgiven: come home!
> Summary: Info about availability through APDA
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> We have seen a lot of postings on netnews, and we have received a lot of
> calls at APDA, requesting that Phil and Dave's Excellent CD be made
> available through APDA.  Hopefully the following will answer any 
questions
> you have about this:
> 
> Phil and Dave's Excellent CD is restricted to Apple Partners and 
Associates
> due to the very preliminary nature of some of the materials contained on 
the
> CD-ROM.  We want to be assured that those who receive these 
pre-pre-release
> code samples and tools have access to Apple Developer Technical Support.
> Please be assured that all the tools and references on Phil and Dave's
> Excellent CD that are considered robust enough for general distribution
> do go through APDA as soon as they have been tested.  Many items on Phil
> and Dave's Excellent CD are already sold through APDA, including 
Macintosh
> and Apple II sample code, system software, and the technical notes 
HyperCard
> stack.  Other features of Phil and Dave's Excellent CD, including
> SpInside Mac and international versions of HyperCard, will be available
> through APDA as soon as we can "productize" them.
> 
> We appreciate your interest in these products.  Our goal at APDA is still
> to give Apple's development products the widest possible distribution.
> When the tools on Phil and Dave's Excellent CD are ready for such
> distribution, they will be made available as soon as possible through 
APDA.
> 
> Rick Fleischman
> Developer Channels/APDA
> Apple Computer, Inc.
> e-mail: rickf@apple.com
> AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com

This sounds like corporate bull to me. Not everyone who develops Mac code 
can afford to be a partner/associate -- or will even be accepted into the 
program. The Excellent CD DOES NOT NEED TO BE PRODUCTIZED for the APDA 
audience. 

People who would order it:
+ have a CD player
+ intend to develop code
+ understand about developer tools
+ are not your normal office automation user

By 'productizing' the pieces, APDA will
+ raise the price! Each piece will probably cost at least $20.
  The ENTIRE CD could be sold for that same $20. I'd bet that if every
  individual piece of the CD was sold on separate floppies, it would
  cost upwards of $1000 to get them all!
+ delay the distribution -- by months!
+ not distribute many of the goodies! A bunch of stuff in there will
  never be distributed by APDA -- they will decide that either there is
  a commertial product that does the job, or that the tool is not
  important enough!

This corporate PR slop about 'pre-pre-release' and 'very preliminary' 
sounds
a lot like APPLE trying to protect me from myself. Come on! The community
of people who want the CD don't need to be protected in this way!

Bruce Beare
bjb@pyramid.com
[ Coverall disclaimer: My opinions are not even my own. ]