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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CfD: Interest Groups Surveys
Message-ID: <22196.25d2eed0@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Date: 9 Feb 90 22:24:48 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
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In article <1990Feb7.224449.8453@diku.dk>, stodol@diku.dk
 (David Stodolsky) writes:
> This is a Call for Discussion of a possible change in the Guidelines for
> creating newsgroups (How to Create a New Newsgroup).
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> 
> Following the discussion period, all names that have been posted (seconded names
> appearing first) will be included in an Interest Group Survey 
> announcement. Each name will be represented by a single character, with "a"
> representing "abstain".
> 
> Respondents follow these rules:
> 
> 1. While unmoved characters remain:
>      Select your preferred name and move its character to the subject line 
>      (place each one after [to the right of] the ones already moved).
> 
> 2. Place an "a" after the character representing the last name you find
> acceptable. If you do not support creation of a newsgroup with any of the names,
> put the "a" before the options.

I don't understand this at all.  Let us suppose that there is a call
for discussion for an astrology group.  The proposer of the group,
being a firm believer in astrology, decides that the group should be
called sci.astrology.  During the discussion, several people point out
that they think this group should be called rec.astrology, since
astrology is mostly a recreational thing (ITHO), while others say
that it should be named talk.astrology, since there will be endless
flame wars about the validity of astrology.  After a long discussion
in news.groups, the call for votes goes out with the three names:

1. sci.astrology
2. rec.astrology
3. talk.astrology

Now suppose that voter 1 doesn't care whether an astrology group is
created or not, but wants to vote against the name sci.astrology. What
would this vote look like?

Suppose voter 2 doesn't care what the name of the group is, this
person just want SOME astrology group created.  What would this vote
look like?

Suppose voter 3 doesn't think that astrology has any place on the net
and opposes any group creation with astrology as a discussion topic.
How would this person vote?

Voter 4 really likes the idea of an astrology group, but hates the
sci.astrology name enough that he/she would prefer to not have a group
rather than name it sci.any.

I think I can figure out what to do if I want the group created, and
have some preference among the names, but how do I vote against a
particular name without influencing the vote for the other names as
well? And how do I put equal emphasis on ANY name if I don't want to
rank them?  I think it is about time to revive the discussion about
MAUVE, isn't it?  Using MAUVE, each of the positions above can be
easily expressed.

Voter 1:
1. sci.astrology   NO
2. rec.astrology   ABSTAIN
3. talk.astrology  ABSTAIN

Voter 2:
1. sci.astrology   YES
2. rec.astrology   YES
3. talk.astrology  YES

Voter 3:
1. sci.astrology   NO
2. rec.astrology   NO
3. talk.astrology  NO

Voter 4:
1. sci.astrology   NO
2. rec.astrology   YES
3. talk.astrology  YES
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