Xref: utzoo rec.pets:10985 sci.bio:2709 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!unmvax!ariel!collier From: collier@ariel.unm.edu (uncia uncia) Newsgroups: rec.pets,sci.bio Subject: Re: What is a species? Keywords: artificial selection makes species identity meaningless Message-ID: <1562@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 9 Feb 90 15:10:01 GMT References: <2495@leah.Albany.Edu> <1990Feb8.100425.16932@newcastle.ac.uk> Reply-To: collier@ariel.unm.edu.UUCP (uncia uncia) Distribution: rec.pets sci.bio Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 33 In article <2495@leah.Albany.Edu> gmr044@leah.Albany.Edu (Gregg Recer) writes: > >>In article <2285@uwm.edu> debbie@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Debbie Forest) >>writes: >> >>However, those offspring would then be >>infertile. This same kind of mating barrier occurs in the >>horse/donkey/mule system. >I'm not convinced that a dog-wolf cross *would* be infertile. Do >you have any references? 1) i heard on the news the other day that even the horse/donkey/mule system isn't as closed as has been assumed for centuries. a jenny became pregnant somehow and successfully foaled. i don't know any more than that. 2) wolves and dogs can interbreed, and their offspring are fertile. this is well documented in a variety of general references on the wolf, and i have observed it directly myself. case in point: my 50% wolf, 50% malamute female escaped during her second heat and brought home a litter of puppies. this is bad, because wolf hybrids are *very* hard to place safely. fortunately the puppies were only 25% wolf, which is about the highest proportion one can keep without requiring a huge extra effort on the part of the owner. anyway, she, at least, proved herself fertile. -- Michael Collier University of New Mexico Computing Center collier@ariel.unm.edu 2701 Campus Blvd. (505) 277 8039 Albuquerque, NM 87131 (Home: 1160 Don Pasqual NW Los Lunas, NM 87031) ...!cmcl2!beta!unm-la!unmvax!charon!collier