Xref: utzoo comp.lang.c:25911 comp.lang.c++:6468 comp.sys.ibm.pc:44416 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!iuvax!cica!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think!snorkelwacker!mit-eddie!apollo!nelson_p From: nelson_p@apollo.HP.COM (Peter Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: open this package and you're stuck with it Message-ID: <48a44d7c.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> Date: 14 Feb 90 17:01:00 GMT Sender: root@apollo.HP.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA Lines: 45 I recently posted some problems I've had with the Zortech compiler. Another larger question to ask is why this industry insists on shipping beta-quality products as finshed products. When I got my Zortech Rev 2.0 package the disk envelope seal was already broken!!! I called Zortech and they said that THEY opened the package to insert some disks with some last minute changes. Now they're shipping a version 2.06 to fix some more problems. When I got my QuickC version 1.00 I found lots of problems, SOME of which were fixed in the vers. 1.01 that Microsoft shipped a month or so later. This kind of stuff is endemic in the PC business. Part of the problem is that the manufacturers are abusing the "you open it, you can't return it" clause on their packaging. The implicit licensing agreement is supposed to protect them from unauthorized copying but it provides them with an excuse to ship expensive junky products knowing that they can't be returned. If I spend $350 on a TV and I'm not satisfied I can return it; if I spend $350 on a C++ compiler I'm stuck with it no matter how dissatisfying it is. This has to change. Software is an increasingly big business and consumers of software deserve the same rights and protections that they get for other products. [ some wise-ass is bound to point out that you don't really buy the software, you just buy a license to use it. Fine, whatever. So if I'm not satisfied with my license then I ought to have the right to return it for a refund. ] As a software developer I'm very sensitive to the need to protect the company and to ensure that it is compensated for its work. But it is not clear that allowing the return of an unsatisfying product would make the illicit copying problem any worse than it already is, nor is it clear that we are fully exploiting all possible technological fixes to that problem. Moreover, as a software developer and consumer of software I'm also sensitive to the need to improve the quality of the stuff I'm shelling out my money for. I believe that the right to return (for refund) unsatisfying products will create a rapid improvement in quality. ---Peter PS -- Who administers consumer protection laws? I have a feeling that they are state functions but they seem to be fairly uniform; is the federal government involved?