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From: alex@umbc3.UMBC.EDU (Alex S. Crain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: More X foolishness
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Date: 16 Feb 90 03:18:03 GMT
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In article <3220@umn-d-ub.D.UMN.EDU> rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu.UUCP (Rob Healey) writes:

>>I don't know.  But if anybody gets the total size of X (server + xterms)
>>below 1 MB, I will be very surprised.  Many people out there only have 1
>>MB, and few have more than 2.
>
>	The BIG problem is the UNIX PC's virtual address space, not the
>	amount of physical memory. Why try to make the UNIX PC run both
>	clients and server? Start out small and have it run a special
>	server. Work out the applications later...

	Why is it that when people hear "X Windows" they go crazy?

	I've run X on a sun 3/50 with 4 megs and a disk. Its not particularily
plesent, but if you've gotta talk X, it'll do.

	The unix-pc is not a 3/50 and most people don't have 4Megs My machines
have 3.5 and 1meg, respectively, and I feel like thats alot).

	I don't think that a window system is unreasonable, but I also don't 
think that X is the answer. What I want out of a window system is:

	1 pixel boarders.
	multiple fonts.
	better menues then the UA
	fast.
	use the entire screen (including the bottom inch)

	X gives me this, and a whole lot more that I don't need along
with tons of overhead. I don't want to turn my machine into an X
terminal, I want a local environment to do some kernel hacking
and lisp development on. The UA is slower then snail snot, the window
borders suck, and I can't use the whole screen.

	There is a window system that gives me what I want and I think that
it would benifit others if lots of people use it (compatability, don't you 
know). Its called mgr, it's free, and it runs on this machine. If its
missing something, we can get together and fix it, and its very tangable.

	Think about it.