Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!crdgw1.ge.com!barnett From: barnett@crdgw1.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: Look and Feel? Or just Look? Message-ID: <5358@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> Date: 19 Feb 90 12:20:36 GMT References: <671@tci.bell-atl.com> <1907@cbnewsi.ATT.COM> <1990Feb14.201536.29437@sq.sq.com> <5348@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> <22607@mimsy.umd.edu> Sender: news@crdgw1.crd.ge.com Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) Distribution: comp.windows.misc Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY Lines: 62 In-reply-to: don@brillig.umd.edu (Don Hopkins) In article <22607@mimsy.umd.edu>, don@brillig (Don Hopkins) writes: >Motif has resize corners and resize edges. Open Look only has resize >corners. > >One problem with Motif is that the entire window edge stretches the >window, and someone who uses Motif regularly tells me that they often >accidentally stretch their window edges when they only meant to move >the window. It's annoying when you try to move an 80 column xterm, and >end up with a 74 column xterm in the same place. It's hard to get it >back to exactly 80 columns. Does this mean that when you want to move a Motif window, you must grab the top border, instead of any one? The Mac's make you grab the top border, which is a real pain when the top border is covered. What required one drag in OpenLook requires on a Mac: Click on portion of window to make the top border visible. Move the mouse cursor to the top border. Drag the window to the new location Click on the original window to make it the one on top. >> Does the UI provide features for organizing your desktop? > >Snap dragging would be useful. What is snap-dragging? >Open Look has something called a button stack [..] >The silly thing is that >the default selection of a pinned up menu is still displayed in a >rounded rectangle, which is no help at all, since the menu's on the >screen anyway, and selecting a pinned up menu default is no different >than selecting any of the other items, so it's just confusing to >distinguish the default selection of a pinned up menu. The default selection is useful if you want to just click on the button stack instead of bringing up a menu. If you had a large pull-right menu that allows you to pick a font or whatevern, you can hold the selection button down and preview the choice without calling up the menu. If you like the default, you release the mouse button. If you don't - you drag the mouse cursor away from the button. I don't like to use pin-up menus all of the time. Some tools can have 4 or more pin-up menus at once. This does take up real-estate. And compicates things when you move windows to the top or bottom. What happens to the pin-up menus? Do they stay on top? Are they connected to the parent window? One of the problems with OpenLook is that they have not specified how to define a keyboard equivalent to the menu choices. >>And please, let's not get religious. > >Oops. Sorry about that, chief. Always glad to read from "The Book of Don". -- Bruce G. Barnett uunet!crdgw1!barnett