Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!crdgw1.ge.com!barnett From: barnett@crdgw1.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: Look and Feel? Or just Look? Message-ID: <5379@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> Date: 20 Feb 90 12:06:54 GMT References: <671@tci.bell-atl.com> <1907@cbnewsi.ATT.COM> <1990Feb14.201536.29437@sq.sq.com> <5348@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> <1463@sragwa.sra.co.jp> <247@uucs1.UUCP> <1464@sragwa.sra.co.jp> Sender: news@crdgw1.crd.ge.com Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY Lines: 50 In-reply-to: erik@sravd.sra.JUNET (Erik M. van der Poel) In article <1464@sragwa.sra.co.jp>, erik@sravd (Erik M. van der Poel) writes: >In article <247@uucs1.UUCP> gaf@uucs1.UUCP () writes: > >|Gee, my applications will be very surprised to hear this. They still think >|that clicking on the space above or below the elevator moves the text forward >|or backward exactly one page, where a page is however many lines of text the >|box currently holds. > >Well, the fact that I didn't know about this just goes to show how >non-intuitive Motif's scrollbar is. :-( I don't think this is a fair comment, because unless I misunderstand, OpenLook has the exact same model for paging forward/backward pages. So does the Mac. An example of a non-intutive scrollbar was the one on SunView, which used all three mouse buttons, and a button modified with a shift key to move back a page. To be honest, I am impressed with the OpenLook scrollbar. Look at all of the operations it supports with a single click: Go to beginning Go to end Move up/down one "line" May be repeated without moving the mouse Button may be held down to scroll. Move up/down one "page" May be immediately repeated without moving the mouse Button may be held down to scroll by pages Can drag box to "absolute" location. Also, IMHO, all of these operations are intuitive, and only require the mouse selector button. The mouse select button is also used to split the object into two or more views. This is done by dragging the top (or bottom) anchor towards the middle of the scrollbar. Considering how often I want to look at a history log and type something new in, or how often I split a buffer in GNUemacs, it's a feature I miss in other implementations. OpenLook also suppports pop-up menus in the scrollbar region, which can be used to handle more advanced methods of accessing views. -- Bruce G. Barnett uunet!crdgw1!barnett