Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!sloane From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: Group creation time; favorable postings Message-ID: <22307.25e1538a@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 20 Feb 90 20:26:17 GMT References: <6332@ncar.ucar.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 36 In article <6332@ncar.ucar.edu>, woods@snowmass.scd.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes: > I think this will cause a lot of problems that we don't currently have. > For one thing, my vote might change depending on what name is being voted > on. The only schemes I have seen described that would allow me to abstain > from the creation vote while voting against names I don't like are far > too complex to be easily verifiable. I don't really understand why you think preference voting (MAUVE, whatever) is complicated or is not easily verifyable. PV is EXACTLY what we have now, except that there are multiple votes going at the same time, much like what is happening right now with the objectivism groups. You just list the group names and YES, NO or ABSTAIN for each name. The vote take reports it in the format: group.name YES voter@address group.name NO voter@address group1.name NO voter@address .. To verify the vote you do grep "group.name yes" vote.list or some such. Verifying each count could easily be done in a single unix command line, even a pretty short one, using "standard" unix commands. > It's a lot SIMPLER if we just require > the name to be chosen (using consensus discussion, STV, or whatever) > BEFORE the creation vote takes place. We ALREADY require that, and it simply isn't working. The number of groups where the name is controversial is growing. I don't know whether it started with comp.women or earlier, but the rate is speeding up. I think this is a problem that we will have to solve eventually. Why not start now? -- USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444