Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uunet!aplcen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!auvm!SMSVMA!KWJ199F From: KWJ199F@SMSVMA.BITNET (K. W. Jeffreys) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.disarm-l Subject: Who persecuted the Jews?????? Message-ID: Date: 19 Feb 90 20:56:08 GMT Sender: Disarmament Discussion List Reply-To: Disarmament Discussion List Lines: 96 Approved: NETNEWS@AUVM.BITNET Gateway Dimitri V. writes: >believes, then for their genes). The allies acted no better than the axis >during WWII, and saying that a certain group is tainted because it was >persecuted by one side or the other is plain nosense. Both sides effectively >cooperated in the killing of the Jews, for example. Cooperated???? I am aware of that treaty between the Russia and Germany which pre-dated WWII. I am even aware of Chamberlain's treaty with Hitler (You know - 'We have peace in our time'). Is this what you meant when you said Cooperated? Could you amplify your 'effectively cooperated' phrase a little more? Now, on to the really silly part: 'The allies acted no better than the axis during WWII,...'. You are kidding, right? If you are right, then you can give me counter examples to: April 27, 1937: Germany bombs Guernica, Spain. German planes strafe and bomb marketplaces and farm houses. Nov. 29, 1937: A German court took away children from their parents when the parents refused to teach them Nazi Ideology. Oct. 5, 1938: Hitler occupies the Sudetenland. Nov. 9, 1938: Crystal Night. Sept. 30, 1939: Nazis invade Poland. Dec. 18, 1939: Berlin: Reich official Robert Ley says Germany aims for annihilation of Britain. Apr. 9, 1940: Nazis occupied Copenhagen. June 14, 1940: Germans occupied Paris. Apr. 17: 1941: Nazis invade Yugoslavia. Sept. 6, 1941: German secret police publish and order whose first para- graph reads 'Jews who have completed their 6th year are for- bidden to show themselves in public without the Jewish star.' Dec. 7, 1941: A day which will live in infamy. Jan. 20, 1942: Nazi leaders met in Berlin to discuss 'the Jewish problem, and the final solution.' Jul. 16, 1942: French (Vichy) round up 13000 Jews and hold them in the Velodrome. These detainees include invalids, pregnant women, and 3000 children. Sept. 21, 1942: To date, over 207000 people in Europe have been executed by the Nazis. May 16, 1943: Jurgen Stroop, SS German General, says his troops killed 56065 Jews in stopping the Ghetto Uprising. July 8, 1942: Jean Moulin, French Underground leader, is killed after a month of torture at the hands of the Gestapo. He refused to sign a statement blaming Senegalese soldiers for murders comm- itted by Germans. March 19, 1944: Nazis send Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz. March 24, 1944: Italian priests, Jews, women, and two 14-year-old boys were executed by the Gestapo. June 10, 1944: SS massacre 642 in the French village of Oradour-sur- Glane. At 6pm, the Germans stopped a train bound for the village and arrested everyone bound for the village and executed them. By the end of the day the population of the village was 0. Aug. 27, 1944: Polish and Soviet officials estimate nearly 1.5 million people were put to death in the Maidanek concentration camp in Poland. The victims were men, women and children, Jews and Christians, from every Nation in Europe. The crematoriums were capable of processing 1,900 bodies a day, and the ashes were sold to farmers as fertilizer. Jan 27, 1945: Auschwitz is liberated. The Nazis, realizing they could not stop the liberation force marched 60000 prisoners to Germany. Lets stop here and not talk about the camps at Amersfoort, Vught, Dachau, Esterwegen, Neuengamme, Bergen-Belsen, Dora, Ohrdruf, Flossenburg, Natzweiler-Struthof, Ravensbruck, Sachsenhausen, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Gross-Rosen, Stutthof, Chelmno, Treblinka, Belzec, Majdanek, and Lublin. (Too name a few.) May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders. Dimitri, I will not say anything about Japan, and Bataan, or the 150 American soldiers that were herded into a bunker, doused with gasoline and set on file. How about the 3500 prisoners that were starved, beaten, and shot on a 140 mile march to a prison camp? How about the allied prisoners in Japanese hospitals that were injected with acid and bile? The Allies were as bad as the Axis in WWII???? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN'.