Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!aplcen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!mephisto!udel!princeton!siemens!demon!fwb From: fwb@demon.siemens.com (Frederic W. Brehm) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Information Density of Sight and Sound Message-ID: <24837@siemens.siemens.com> Date: 27 Feb 90 15:24:18 GMT References: <90057.153351RMC100@psuvm.psu.edu> Sender: news@siemens.siemens.com Reply-To: fwb@demon.UUCP (Frederic W. Brehm) Organization: Siemens Corporate Research Lines: 41 Randy Carraghan (RMC100@psuvm.psu.edu) asks: >... Even using CDs, you'd only be >able to store a minute or so of animation. Now if you were to implement some >sort of compression routine, you'd be able to increase the number of frames >you could store, but the playback speed would become slower than it already >is. How is it that two hour movies are stored on a single video disk? Intel's DVI (invented at David Sarnoff Research Center when RCA was still around) achieves a 160 to 1 compression ratio for full motion video (TV quality). This allows a full hour of video to be put on a CD. Intel has some plug-in boards for AT computers that allow playback (decompression) in real-time. Compression could not be done in real-time, the last I heard. The latest Electronics magazine has articles on "Multi-media" systems, including DVI, CD-I, and Apple's systems. The video disk is the name given by RCA to their disk. It could store one hour of uncompressed video. The laser disk (Phillip's video disk) stores uncompressed video, too. It has several different modes that trade time for random access or other capabilities, but it does not use image compression. Both of these video disks store images in an analog form, not digital. Their bandwidth is sufficient for storing analog TV images (because the disks were designed that way!). Errors in the analog world are called "noise". People are used to seeing some noise on their TV screen, so the disks were not designed with analog error detection or correction (besides, how would you do that?). The analog disks were designed to have "acceptable" (as defined by someone) noise levels. Their digital counterparts have error detection and correction to provide a nearly error-free (noisless) digital signal. An analog signal converted to digital and then modulated for transmission over an analog channel requires more bandwidth than the original analog signal. Add error detection and correction to the digital signal and you need even greater channel bandwidth. This is why your calculations would lead you to believe that the laser disk can't work at full speed! Fred -- Frederic W. Brehm Siemens Corporate Research Princeton, NJ fwb@demon.siemens.com -or- princeton!siemens!demon!fwb