Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ns-mx!iowasp!deimos!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucsd!ucbvax!THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM!nsb From: nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew Subject: Re: noecho bug on rlogin from typescript Message-ID: <0Zsl2pi0M2YtFOO59X@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: 21 Feb 90 22:05:41 GMT References: Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 43 Tm does indeed work better than typescript for this sort of thing, but it has other bugs. I would switch to tm and report all the other bugs, except that tm is officially not supported by the ITC. (If I had my druthers, it would be the other way 'round -- tm is the one to support, albeit with several improvements!) I think that the basic typescript model for input-processing is sufficiently different from tm's that fixing typescript would be a lot harder than you think, but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. Wouldn't it be nice, by the way, if tm were modified so that the "standout" mode, which is reverse video on most terminals and currently an italic style in tm, were made something more noticable (e.g. even for SPACE characters in standout mode), like maybe an underline style? That's just one of about twenty tm suggestions that I'd make if it were a "supported" program... I have to say, though, that it isn't clear to me that there's a lot of mileage to be gotten out of improving typescript OR tm. I mean, does the world really need a better xterm-type program all that badly? Andrew really shines for applications like ez and messages. Typescript and tm have some neat features, but I'm not convinced they're worth a major support effort when resources at CMU are known to be quite limited. (Now, on the other hand, a real multimedia shell replacement program would be a very spiffy thing. To put the example in UNIX-command-line-terms, I'd like to be able to type (with apologies to everyone reading this on netnews or otherwise with non-Andrew readers): % grep [An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but could not be displayed.] /u/nsb/.signature and get the output: [An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but could not be displayed.] [An Andrew ToolKit view (a raster image) was included here, but could not be displayed.] Now, try doing that in typescript or tm! And yes, I recognize that the whole idea of sticking with UNIX command lines and the "grep" command is kind of absurd, but this should at least point you in the direction that a real Andrew-based shell would go! -- Nathaniel