Xref: utzoo comp.sys.ibm.pc:45337 comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer:159 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!usc!ucsd!ucsdhub!hp-sdd!apollo!nelson_p From: nelson_p@apollo.HP.COM (Peter Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer Subject: RE programs crashing in Desqview Message-ID: <48e591a9.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> Date: 27 Feb 90 16:29:00 GMT Sender: root@apollo.HP.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA Lines: 54 Recently I posted something about programs crashing in Desqview. As a result I got mail from others who have had the same problem (unfortunately I don't yet have a solution). But this does raise another question. Someone once said that " [...] is like a talking dog. It's not a question of how well it does it. The wonder is that it can do it at all!" Are multi-task environments on PC's just talking dogs? Are they an idea that the PC world is just not ready for? PC's were designed as single-user devices. Both the hardware and the operating system were designed for single programs which own the machine. Moreover, an enormous number of existing programs were written with that in mind. By now I've heard quite a few problems with Desqview and I've heard even more horror stories about Windows. On the other hand, many people have bought these products. I think I remember seeing somewhere that Quarterdeck has sold a million copies of Desqview. My suspicion is that most users fall into 2 camps: Those who are running a handful of carefully chosen applications programs that are "well behaved" in such an environment or those who are trying to do as I want to do, and use it for general stuff including software development and arbitrary commercial applications. I suspect that most of the latter just resign themselves to odd crashes and collisions. But I'm not sure I'm prepared to do that. Perhaps it's unrealistic to expect to be able to run multiple programs on PC's without worrying about them crashing into each other the way we (usually) can on workstations and mini's. Perhaps it's a bit like trying to fit wings to a car and fly it. Sure, it's been done, but it's a tremendous kluge and most people would rather fly planes which were designed as planes to begin with. Someone wrote to me to say that I have unrealistically high expectations for being able to apply the same standards to PC's as I do to workstations; that PC's are single-user *micro's*, after all. In a sense this is true, but my new "micro" machine has more MIPS and more RAM than the minicomputer my whole software *department* shared at my last job! PC's are like a child who has suddenly grown very big and very strong but still has the intellect and emotions (software) of a child. This can make them very unruly. ---Peter