Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!yale!think!snorkelwacker!apple!chuq From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Comp.Sys.Mac reorg -- 2/23/90 update Message-ID: <38902@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 23 Feb 90 21:18:18 GMT Organization: Fictional Reality: where your dreams can come true Lines: 160 [note: I only plan on posting this whenever 'enough' things have changed to warrant it. Now that the proposal is starting to settle out, I hope that will be no more than twice a week, preferably once a week. -- chuq] The result of the survey on using the proposal stands at 146 yes, 2 no. I'll still count votes, but unless there's a massive swing between now and the end of the discussion period I'm going to use a single call for votes proposal with multiple votes. I'm not going to report on this survey again unless the results change radically until the end of the discussion period. I've closed the survey on apps vs. appl. Apps won, and the change has been put in the proposal. I've started three new surveys (gee, this is fun). The question of the name of c.s.m.os, the name of c.s.m.wanted and the moderation status of c.s.m.virus. See below for details. New issues: o I haven't mentioned c.s.m.hardware (oops). I don't plan on changing it at this time, unless there's reason to think it ought to be a hierarchy like c.s.m.apps is, and then we should rename to c.s.m.hardware.misc, which I think is overkill. o Another possible name for c.s.m.os -- c.s.m.sysfold. o Should comp.sys.mac.virus be moderated or unmoderated? My preference is unmoderated (I am assuming that c.s.m.announce is created. I think two moderated groups at this time are unnecessary) but there are persuasive arguments on the other side. o Should more subgroups of c.s.m.apps be created? c.s.m.apps.wordproc and c.s.m.apps.database (or variations of those names) have been suggested. Which brings up the general question: how much is too much? Is this overkill, or are sub-groups really needed? I'd like to see discussion of this point. New Surveys: (1) Please send me e-mail with your preferred name for what is currently comp.sys.mac.os. Rank the following by preference: c.s.m.os c.s.m.sysf c.s.m.sysfold c.s.m.system If you feel that a name is not appropriate, rank it with 'NA'. If you have no preferences, don't rank the work. Here's how I'll count this: the name ranked 1 will get 5 points, 2nd three, third two and fourth 1. Names not mentioned (no preference) will get zero. Names marked 'NA' will get minus 2 (-2). Example: a person wants sysf or system, doesn't care about os and hates sysfold. His vote would be: (1) sysf (2) system (NA) sysfold I'll use the name with the largest point total at the end. One vote per person, and the survey will continue until March 1. (2) Please send me e-mail on the appropriate name for c.s.m.wanted. Rank the following by preference: c.s.m.wanted c.s.m.help c.s.m.request same rules as the c.s.m.os survey apply. (3) Whether c.s.m.virus should be moderated or unmoderated. Survey status: Final name of c.s.m.os. Point totals: c.s.m.os 0; c.s.m.sysf 0; c.s.m.sysfold 0; c.s.m.system 0. [[survey ends March 1. See 2/23/90 status posting for voting details]] Final name of c.s.m.wanted. Point totals: c.s.m.wanted 0; c.s.m.help 0; c.s.m.request 0. [[survey ends March 1. See 2/23/90 status posting for voting details]] Whether comp.sys.mac.virus should be moderated or unmoderated. Results: moderated 0; unmoderated 0. [[survey continues indefinitely]] Whether or not to allow variation from the guidelines for the 'multiple votes in a single proposal' for the reorganization: Yes, 146, no, 2. [[proposal considered passed]] Whether to use comp.sys.mac.apps or comp.sys.mac.appl: apps 17, appl 7. [[recommendation 'apps']] ---===---===---===---===---=== new changes to text of proposal. ---===---===---===---===---=== none. ---===---===---===---===---=== proposed text of call for votes proposal. (hint: you don't need to read this unless you haven't seen it before or want to check on changes noted changes) ---===---===---===---===---=== Please vote on each proposal separately. You may vote 'yes', 'no' or 'abstain/no preference' (or whatever terms you want for these as long as they're non-ambiguous), Proposal 1: rename comp.sys.mac to comp.sys.mac.misc. This will be in multiple stages: the creation of comp.sys.mac.misc, followed a few weeks later by the rmgroup of comp.sys.mac and the addition of a usenet alias to the new group to forward misdirected messages. This will bring c.s.m into the same standardized naming as other hierarchies, and it should also discourage some of the cross-posting between c.s.m and sub-groups that happens when people think they should put it in the parent group just in case. Proposal 2: Creation of comp.sys.mac.os. This will be for discussion of Macintosh system software -- the system, finder, multifinder, CDEVs, INITs and other Apple and third party Operating System software and its extensions. Proposal 3: Creation of comp.sys.mac.apps.misc. This will be for discussion of Macintosh applications. It is designed as the beginning of a sub-hierarchy of groups, hence the creation of c.s.m.a.misc instead of c.s.m.apps. Proposal 4: renaming comp.sys.mac.hypercard to comp.sys.mac.apps.hypercard. To standardize naming in the new scheme. Proposal 5: creation of comp.sys.mac.wanted. A place for the "I'm missing part five of..." or "I need a program that does..." or "Where can I get a good price on..." messages. There was some discussion of creating a sister group c.s.m.forsale, but for sale messages really should be encouraged to go into a regional group and not a net-wide group. Proposal 6: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.apps.games. A group for the discussion of macintosh-based computer games. Proposal 7: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.apps.comm. A group for the discussion of telecommunication and networking software and programs: Red Ryder, Microphone, Appleshare, etc. Proposal 8: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.virus. For discussion of macintosh viruses, reports, prevention and etc. Proposal 9: Creation of group comp.sys.mac.announce, to be created moderated. Moderator to be appointed at some future time. Designed to be a low-volume, high-content group for distribution of information, regular postings (like the "where to find...", and "introduction to comp.sys.mac" documents, postings like virus alerts and other forms of information (product announcements? press releases?) to be determined. No changes: comp.sys.mac.programmer, comp.sys.mac.digest, comp.sys.mac.hardware -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] I don't know what's scarier: President Reagan saying he had no inkling of his aides doing anything illegal, or an ex-president who uses the word inkling.