Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!alice.UUCP From: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, like it or not) Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Subject: Re: Armor-Alling CDs Message-ID: <2626@uwm.edu> Date: 27 Feb 90 14:19:50 GMT Sender: news@uwm.edu Lines: 39 Approved: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Tom, I'd like to snip this "jitter" discussion off right now. The rate that the D/A convertor uses for de-sampling is fixed not by any consideration of what the rate off the CD is, but rather by a crystal clock that is run independantly of the spinning CD, and to which the CD is, via a complicated buffer-control strategy, controlled. Hence, the only jitter in the output samples is due to the non-symmetry of the crystal oscillator, and these days most of the manufacturers know well to divide the clock by a few powers of two (which has a strong and well-understood effect on crystal jitter) in order to eliminate the jitter problems. Sample/holds and D/A delays are much more significant in general that the crystal clock problems. Repeating: The rate that comes off the CD is only marginally the same as the conversion rate in the short term (taking into account the 14/8 expansion) but is exactly, within 1 part/length-of-cd, the same over the long term. The short-term rate variations are well known, understood, and buffered completely out of the signal before it reaches the convertor. Period. Any effect (the existance of which I severely doubt) from Armor-All, green ink, green cheese, disc dampers, or the like MUST come from something other than digital recovery issues. The hypothesis about power-supply decoupling (while indicative of bad design) is somewhat plausible, given other instances of bad design (some digital) in early oversampling chips. -- Question Authority *Mail to jj@alice.att.com or alice!jj Before *HASA, Atheist Curmudgeon Division IT *Copyright alice!jj 1990, all rights reserved, except Questions YOU! *transmission by USENET and like free facilities granted.