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Subject: Abortion 4, Part 2
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     Abortion #4 - Part 2 of 2

     John Ankerburg Show, 02/25/90. Part 2.


     MAKS> Since it got so long, this is part 2. This keeps it smaller and
 should help it run the networks a little smoother. I've received tons
 bigger than this, but there were 2 subjects and this was convenient. Part 1
 dealt with the infant, being human from conception, human with great
 potential, not a potential human life. This deals with the techniques,
 testimonies from 2 who had abortions, and John's closing comments. <MAKS


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     Abortion Techniques:
     John C. Willke, MD, President, National Right to Life:


     Menstrual Extraction - A tube is inserted into the womb and the baby is
 "disrupted" and something similar to an early miscarriage follows.


     Suction Abortion - 2 weeks-3 months - Vaginal approach, stretches
 cervix, and inserts suction tube(about 29 times more powerful than vacuum
 cleaner), which rips the baby apart and pulls it through the tube. Then
 abortionist cuts and slices afterbirth away from womb.


     Dilatation & Curettage - same time perhaps a little beyond - uses a
 loop shaped steel knife, and slices baby to pieces and cuts afterbirth away
 from uterus.


     Dilation & Evacuation - after 12 weeks - 4 months. - stretches cervix,
 without anesthetic, seizes the baby's arm or what ever and rips child to
 shreds and rips out what he can, skull is then crushed and pulled out, then
 uterus is scraped for afterbirth.


     Salt poisoning - 4 months and above - Injects womb with strong salt
 solution. Recall baby was breathing and swallowing as early as 3 months.
 The baby breaths and swallows the poison. The baby takes 2-3 hours to die,
 sometimes convulsing which the mother feels. Then the mother delivers a
 dead baby. SOMETIMES THEY ARE DELIVERED ALIVE, SOME EVEN SURVIVED TO BE
 ADOPTED!

     Interviewer: "Is there concern over late term abortions?"
     C. Everett Koop - "No question about that. People are easily led to
 THINKING ABORTION IS UNIMPORTANT IF YOU USE A SEMANTIC KIND OF SMOKE SCREEN
 and refer to the unborn baby as a fetus, or an embryo, or some tissues, or
 the product of conception. Very hard to use those terms to refer to a late
 abortion that looks just like the baby next door."

     Prostaglandin - any phase - causes intense labor, violent contractions,
 and vaginal delivery at any age the baby is. In the literature by Upjohn,
 the doctors are given the "COMPLICATIONS" of using Prostaglandin:
 1)Cervical incompetence; 2)Uterine Laceration; 3)LIVE BIRTH.  Live Birth is
 given as a "complication".

     MAKS> THIS ONE BREAKS MY HEART... <MAKS


     Hysterotomy - late term - "This is just like any Caesarian section. The
 mother abdomen is opened, the womb is opened surgically, pulled apart, and
 the baby is extracted and taken out. Now, Caesarian sections are very
 common. After this, the baby is handed to the nurse, who sucks out the
 phlegm, gets the little kid going, puts her in the warming bed, the
 incubator, gives the baby all that tender loving care. Not now. THIS LITTLE
 KID HAS A CONTRACT ON HER HEAD. And so the abortionist takes the baby out,
 cuts the cord, throws the baby in the basin, and lets her die. And if she
 doesn't die, maybe a head under water, or the placenta on her face, and
 choke her to death. You see, the baby, according to the abortionist, must
 not survive, even though separated from the mother."


     C. Everett Koop - "And therefore late abortions are rather an
 embarrassment to people. And remember that late abortions are very commonly
 viable. And one of the saddest things to me about the whole abortion
 business is that what was a few years ago a woman's RIGHT TO AN ABORTION
 has NOW become the woman's RIGHT TO A DEAD BABY following abortion and I
 think that's almost criminal."

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     John Ankerburg: "Now the feminist majority in their film "Abortion for
 Survival" have shown a Suction Aspiration abortion that takes place in
 under 2 minutes. In their film they quickly show the contents of the
 uterus, what they call the "Product of Conception", and then they say, 'You
 see, this doesn't look like a real baby.' So you may see for yourself what
 goes on, here's a film clip and the testimony of some ladies that
 experienced a similar aspiration abortion."


     MAKS> Demo of this abortion begins as the lady's voices go on in the
 background... <MAKS


     Lady One: "When they actually started to do the abortion, it was at
 that moment, that for the first time, I realized that was my baby that was
 being aborted, that this whole thing was not just a sickness, as they tried
 to make it seem, but a child, my own child was being destroyed in that
 abortion. It was extremely painful physically, and of course I was going
 through a lot emotional too. As soon as it was over, I just thought 'Thank
 God, I'm alive.', that was my first thought."


     Moderator: "And Cindy, how did you feel?"


     Cindy: "Well, physically it was painful. It was VERY painful, and they
 did not tell you it would be this painful. And, I was scared. I was scared
 to death, laying on the table, and I couldn't really think of anything, I
 just had all this physical pain. And I heard the vacuum aspirator, what
 ever, it was on the floor next to me, I heard this humming noise. And I was
 thinking 'Oh my God, Cindy, what are you doing? You know your baby, they're
 taking it from you.' And it's just like Monica said, that's what I'm
 thinking, I'm hearing this noise, laying there, thinking 'My baby, they're
 taking it from me.' and it was too late."

     MAKS> The abortion finishes. Yeagh. Anyhow, a nurse pours the contents
 onto a screen, and to the left is a baby, clearly seen in a spread eagle
 position, dead obviously, and obviously, human, perhaps 1-3 inches in
 length. The arms had been ripped off, and it was missing most of the
 head, but the body and legs were just fine. <MAKS


     John: "What the feminist majority did not show in their film was a
 close up view of the "Product of Conception". If they had shown you a close
 up view of the remains of any abortion done just 42 days after conception,
 you would have seen small hands, small feet, arms, and legs. You would have
 seen twisted bodies and crushed heads. Yes, these babies are small, but is
 that any excuse to kill them? Even the first 30 days after conception when
 a human life is developing through the early stages of cell division and
 multiplication, there is no doubt scientifically that it is alive and it is
 fully human. The scientific facts lead us to conclude that even at this
 stage, abortion is the pre-meditated killing of human life. What reasons
 can be given for allowing abortion at any stage? Science has shown us that
 the growing child is not just a blob of tissues, not part of the mother's
 body in any way. Rather science has shown us that the child in the womb is
 an independent human being. Therefore wouldn't you agree that these
 innocent human beings, these children in the womb, they must be protected?
 If we value human life at all, how can we allow abortions to continue?"

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     MAKS> What do I think?


     John takes a strong stand, and I perhaps hold it as well. I doubt that
 I would "kidnap" as it were, any lady to stop her, but if I had a chance to
 get a law passed that any lady would have to see a program like this before
 the final decision was made, I think I would.


     I think I would also, if it could be arranged, have the woman speak to
 1 or 2 that had an abortion, perhaps 1 or 2 that didn't like it, and 1 or 2
 that did, or perhaps have video tapes of interviews the woman would watch.
 An 800 number would be nice, but I presume they exist here and there.


     If an abortion were called for, for health reasons, I would want at
 least 2 doctor's opinions, not related to the problem in any way, perhaps 2
 gynecologists and 2 pediatricians. This seems fair, does it not?


     Then, before making her decision, she would be shown a sonagram of her
 child, preferably one that shows movement. Then, let the woman do what she
 wants, the blood is on her hands.

     Dr. Willke made a similar proposal to someone in NOW I believe for much
 of the above proposal, and they said "No way!".

     For the Christian, God is a loving and forgiving God, and in Him is
 forgiveness and healing and peace.  I realize that a woman who may have had
 an abortion might find this upsetting, but no matter what you've done, God
 loves you. <MAKS



                 In His Love,

                   Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE
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