Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!auvm!SC!MG14302 From: mg14302@SC.MSC.UMN.EDU Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas Subject: (no subject given) Message-ID: <9002192221.AA63855@sc.msc.umn.edu> Date: 19 Feb 90 22:21:26 GMT Sender: The Hellenic Discussion List Reply-To: The Hellenic Discussion List Lines: 84 Approved: NETNEWS@AUVM.BITNET Gateway 0EMA: STRATOS KAI LYSEIS Sav protn fora pou grafw stn lista, euxomai se ola ta paidia 'kales epituxies' Eimai Kuprios, exw kanei 0nteia 26 mnvwv (Ioulios 77- Septembrios 79) otan teliwsa to leikio, opws oloi stnv Kupro. Meta synexiasa gia spoudes sto E.M.P stous Politikous Mnxavikous. Nomizw evas tropos va lu0ei to zntnma tou stratou stnv Ellada einai va efarmostei to sustnma pou akolou0eitai stnv Kupro: Prwta apo ola 0nteia sto strato amesws meta to lukeio. Amesws meta tis eisagwgikes exetaseis gia ta pavepistnmia (Iouliov) oloi katatassontai sto strato, enw prokrateitai n 0esns se osous exouv perasei. Av kapoios dev petyxe dikaioutai va xavadwsei exetaseis tov epomevo xrovo evw ektelei tnv 0nteia tou. Me auto tov tropo linetai kai to problnma tou epaggelmatos 'upopsifios foitntns' pou isws mono stnv Ellada na uparxei. Ti va givei? Oloi 'epistimones' 0a ginoume? Se autn tnv protasn eimai sigouros oti 0a antidrousave ta diafora kommatoskulla, oi 'swtnres psuxwv' pou paralambavouv tous veous foitntes kai tous allazouv ta phwta stnv ka0odignsnv. Problnma apokopns apo to xwpo ekpedeusns dev ti0etai. Kanenas Kuprios den exei problnma synexeias stnv epistpofn sta pavepistnmia meta tov strato. Anti0eta oi ma0ntes meta tis entatikes proisagwgikes 0a xefeugave ligo apo tnv sxolikn routina. Tora stnv Ellada sumbaivei akribws to anti0etov opou oi foitntes dev patave sta ma0nmata ta prwta xrovia. Ase pou otav kapoios upnretnsei, meta dev 0ewrei kai polu 'magia' to va pixei mia petra se kapoia bitriva, opws givetai twra me tous 'avarxikous' (se eisagwgika) n frikia, pou psaxvouv gia praxeis nrwismou (katalnpseis k.l.p). Gia autous pou eivai ndn twra sta pavepistnmia, kanenas va mnv parei adeia exodou apo tn xwra an dev ektelesei tnv 0nteia tou. Gia tous 'epistnmoves' tou exwterikou n movn lusn einai na epistrepsouv kai va ypnretisouv. Ligo problnma ti0etai gi' autous pou exouv oikogeveies, alla afou stnv Amerikn kavouv guro stis $50,000 to xrovov mporouv va fulaxouv liga gia va suvtnrisouv tnv oikogeneia tous mexri na ekplnrwsouv mia moiwmevn 0nteia. To kratos exei kavei arketes paraxwrnseis, mexri paralogismou p.x Na episkeptovtai tnv Ellada osoi eixan Prasivn karta, epistrofn gia va psifisouv, meiwmevn 0nteia, dikaiwma diekdikisns 0esns sto dnmosio k.l.p. Paro ola auta to problnma sinexizetai. Oloi mas exoume teliwsei dnmotiko, gumvasio, pavepistnmio, xwris va plnrwsoume mia dekara didaktra, kai meta arvoumaste va uperetisoume ligous mnves 0nteias. Auto paei kai gia orismevous 'nln0ious' pou arvouvtai oti eivai Ellnves. 0ema meiwsns tns 0nteias dev prepei va ti0etai. Mnv agvoeitai oti polu prosfata n Tourkia paro olo oti exi 5 fores pio polu strato apo tnv Ellada arvn0nke va entaxei tis duvameis tns pou edreuouv stnv Mersiva, stns suvomilies metaxu NATO kai sumfwvou Barsobias gia periorismo twv sumbatikwv n xersaiwn dunamewv. Dev nomizw va xreiazovtai analusn oi skopoi tns Tourkias. Meta tnv Kupro seira pervouv n Rodos, Xios, Samos, 0rakn kai blepoume. Akomn gia opoiov exei upnretisei pote dev ntav 'megaln upo0esn' oi exi mnves pavw n exi katw opws to bazouv orismevoi. Plnroforiaka kavevas stnv Kupro dev tolmise na balei 0ema meiwsns tns 0nteias meta to 1974 (26 mnves einai to maximou dunato gia na mnv xanetai kai tritn xronia gia spoudes apolusn-Septembrios). H diakekommevn 0nteia eivai avefarmostn, strato 0a kavoume kai oxi Par0evagwgeio. Ase pou eivai polu xeirotero va parousiazesai xava meta apo eva xrovo. Kaveva problnma dev ti0etai me osous pragmatika skeftovtai va upnretisouv sto mellov, to movo as stamatisouv va psaxvouv gia perissoteres paraxwrnseis kai dikoiologies. Alla o ka0evas as eivai eilnkrivns me tov eautov tou. Kapote n astuvomia stnv N.Y taxydromise dwrea eisntnria Football se katazitoumevous 'egglnmaties'. Kai afou mazeutnkave oloi, ekleise tis portes stnv Kerkida kai tous mazepse olous. Favtasteite na parei kamia paromoia idea n Ellnvikn kubernusn kai anti eisntnria Football moirasei aeroporika eisntnria gia psufous; Mia alln lysn dinetai twra pou suzitietai to 0ema ekdwsns tou Koskota, kalo 0a ntav va perilnf0ouv sto 'paketto' kai orismeves alles periptwseis. Skefteitai ti sundesn exouv oi teleutaioi paragrafoi me ta pio panw. Xairetismous se olous, Panos Papanastasiou University of Minnesota mg14301@sc.msu.umn.edu