Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!auvm!XYDECO!VLO From: vlo@XYDECO.SIEMENS.COM (John Vlontzos) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas Subject: peri thnteias Message-ID: <9002152053.AA00754@xydeco.siemens.com> Date: 15 Feb 90 20:53:36 GMT Sender: The Hellenic Discussion List Reply-To: The Hellenic Discussion List Lines: 43 Approved: NETNEWS@AUVM.BITNET Gateway parakolouthw thn kouventa peri thnteias apo makrua giati exw xemperdeyei m'auth kai m'endiaferei pleon mono "akadhmaika". Par'ola auta exw merikes parathrhseis: 1) arketoi lene "tha prepei h thnteia na einai sta 18" Giati kurioi prepei ne uparxei nomos peri thnteias sta 18? O kathenas tha eprepe na analavei tis euthunes tou (mazi me tous goneis tou afou einai "mikros" sta 18) kai na kanei ta sxedia pou nomizei oti ton sumferoun perissotero katw apo tis (s'olous gnwstes) sunthnkes. 2)Uparxoun 2 xexwrista provlhmata: a) gia osous spoudazoun akomh kai b) gia osous einai "kataxiwmenoi" anti na mperdeuete ta pragmata, anafertheite sta provlhmata xexwrista. To b) exei na kanei me twrinh katastash enw to a) me katastash pou THA dhmiourghthei. Oi ths kathgorias a) to mono pou mporoun na zhthsoun einai veltiwsh twn sunthnkwn kai meiwsh ths thnteias enw oi ths b) exoun pio ameso provlhma pou xreiazetai eidikh ruthmish. 3) To thema ths "koinwnikhs" thnteias gia antirrhsies suneidhsews einai diaforetiko apo to thema ths thnteias episthmonwn. 4) To na steiloume olous tous strateumenous episthmones sta panepisthmia den einai logiko mia kai ta liga panepisthmia ths elladas den xreiazontai 50 PhD kathe 2 xronia se EE departments px. Ti tha kanoun oloi autoi? Ereuna me ti lefta? Ereuna pou na teleiwnei sigoura se 2 xronia ( h N mhnes pou tha "uphretoun")? 5) Oi ths kathgorias b) parapanw to mono amesa pragmatopoihsimo aithma pou exoun (oxi to mono dikaio...) einai na ananewnetai to diavathrio tous efoson paramenoun sto exwteriko. Ola ta alla xreiazontai koinwnikes anakatataxeis pou theloun xrono. 6)Ta peri epaggelmatikou stratou SHMERA (+10 xronia) einai trixes. Gia na einai enas tetoios stratos apotelesmatikos xreiazetai texnologia kai sugxronh organwsh. O ellhnikos stratos den exei shmera oute ta stelexh oute ta xrhmata gia tetoia douleia (oute kai oi sunolika apotuxhmenoi politikoi arxhgoi exoun tis pneumatikes dunatothtes na kathodhghsoun mia tetoia allagh). Sumperasmatika, afhnontas ta euxologia peri katarghsews tou stratou, kalo einai o kathenas na to parei apofash kai eite na upostei ton strato opws kai tosoi alloi eite na upostei tis sunepeies ths antitheths apofashs tou (pou sto katw katw htan gnwstes apo thn arxh) Giannhs V Siemens