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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Use domains without registering?
Message-ID: <1990Mar4.160852.8543@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>
Date: 4 Mar 90 16:08:52 GMT
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jessea@dynasys.UUCP (Jesse W. Asher) writes:

>I have another (sigh) question about domains.  I've been told that
>in order to use domains, I would have to register my site with
>an Internet site (uunet, for example).  I don't understand this.
>Why can't I just add a domain address to my uucp map entry and use
>it anyway, without registering?  I realize that mail will not be
>able to traverse into the realm of Internet.  But isn't it the eventual goal
>to have everyone using domains anyway?  Why can't I just add the entry
>to my map (assuming, of course, I don't care about Internet)?  Can
>anyone explain this?  Thanx in advance.

Curious that you should ask this just now . . . we've recently
found a few sites doing just that in mi.us and mi.org.  You might
appreciate knowing what happened.

Mail started showing up at some of the central distribution points
for the michigan domains with no obvious place to send it.  After
looking it over and seeing no obvious way to get it out, it was
returned to sender.

Result 1: some of your mail won't get delivered, and the postmasters
 who are stuck with it will become irritated.

We then found some sites that put the addresses in their uucp
maps but never registered them on the internet.  Pure internet
sites (which don't necessarily use the map if it looks like a
valid internet address) cannot mail to that address.

Result 2: some of your mail won't get delivered, and the postmasters
 who are stuck with it will become angry.

We then found some sites that even sent in the registration papers
saying their mail should be forwarded thru specific internet sites,
but they neglected to ask those sites if it was OK.  The agencies
in charge of the MX records assumed (reasonably) that the registering
site had permission to use the internet site, and suddenly that
internet site was hit with unexpected and undeliverable mail.

Result 3: some of your mail won't get delivered, and the postmasters
 who are stuck with it will become very angry, along with the NIC
 and ISI.

We then got out the rakes, shovels, and implements of destruction
and did our damnedest to ensure this will never happen again.  The
people who misused the registrations are going to have a damned
hard time getting more than the absolute minimum co-operation from
the major local mail relay sites.

Result 4: you will have to register anyway, after recieving a
 metaphoric black eye in the local email community.


Other states may be different, but in Michigan I'd suggest you register.

Steve Simmons, speaking as a member of but not for the Michigan
Mail Mafia (mi.org, mi.us).
-- 
Steve Simmons      ...sharkey!lokkur!scs     scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
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