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Subject: Re: Smalltalk for the Macintosh
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Date: 28 Feb 90 06:57:44 GMT
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From: sharp@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Maurice Sharp)
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     I thought I would shove in my 2 cents worth.  I have used both
Smalltalk-80 and Smalltalk-V/Mac.  Both are good.  Smalltalk-V only
implements about 80% of standard smalltalk (the blue book), it also
does not have as nice a development environment.  On the other hand,
it actually runs at a reasonable speed.

     Smalltalk-80 is easier to transfer to supported machines and also
supports more machines.  Smalltalk-V is basically mac and IBM.  If you
want Unix boxes, Smalltalk-80 is Sun/Mac/IBM.  Of course it is a dog
in terms of performance.  But if you have the memory and the
processing.  I would not consider less than a IIcx with 8 megs of
memory.  In fact, a IIci with cache card is preferable.

     One other comment, I have my own bone of contention with
ParcPlace.  Mainly, they used to support Apollo, now they are not
producing the new versions for that platform.  They may, but who
knows...

     Over all, Smalltalk-80 is a more 'complete' version with a very
nice environment.  Good tools, and a good tutorial.  But a dog in
terms of performance.  It runs great on a Sparc (usually), but on an
SE or an old II it is *really* grindy.  It is also useless on less
than a full page display.

     Smalltalk-V is built for the Mac.  It provides great access to
the toolbox.  It is *very* fast, you could actually produce something
marketable from it.  Forget an end product with st80.

	maurice

Maurice Sharp MSc. Student
University of Calgary Computer Science Department
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Maurice Sharp MSc. Student
University of Calgary Computer Science Department
2500 University Drive N.W.			      sharp@ksi.cpsc.UCalgary.CA
Calgary, Alberta, T2N 1N4	                   ...!alberta!calgary!sharp