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From: tomj@oakhill.UUCP (Tom Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Setting userLevel at openStack time & flame
Message-ID: <3054@oakhill.UUCP>
Date: 6 Mar 90 16:13:18 GMT
References: <1150taylorj@yvax.byu.edu>
Reply-To: tomj@oakhill.UUCP (Tom Johnson)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
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In article <1150taylorj@yvax.byu.edu> taylorj@yvax.byu.edu writes:
>In article <48201@cc.utah.edu>, Eric Kofoid flames Jeanne Devoto for voicing a
>well-founded opinion, not answering the question (even though she did), and
>then provides an example of the WRONG solution to the problem.
>
>First off, Jeanne constantly provides very helpful answers and advice and is in
>no way deserving of irresponsible flames.  I would understand it if Eric
>presented his own conflicting opinions in a civilized manner, but derogatory
>personal attacks are uncalled for.
>
>Second, I get "supremely pissed" (to use Eric's words) when some know-it-all
>traps the startUp message.  The startUp handler in my home stack does much more
>than call getHomeInfo, and I don't appreciate it when it's bypassed by someone
>who thinks simply calling getHomeInfo "does startUp's useful work".
>
>So, please DO NOT PUT THE FOLLOWING IN YOUR STACK SCRIPT:
    [Eric's recommendations deleted]

>If you must set something on openStack that might be changed in the Home
>stack's startUp handler, set a flag and test it later.  For example:
    [ Jim's recommendations deleted]
>
>Jim Taylor

After re-reading both Jeanne's and Eric's messages, I find I must apologize
for my posting of yesterday.  When I first read Jeanne's posting/recommen-
dations, **I** felt somewhat chastised/flamed, for attempting to do something
"non-kosher."  After receiving Eric's post, I at least UNDERSTOOD why hyper-
card seemed to be changing things behind my back (although I must admit that
- upon re-reading BOTH postings - the tone of Eric's posting was somewhat
derogatory towards Jeanne, and somewhat patronizing toward me).  I felt
after receiving Jeanne's post, that I still didn't know why Hypercard was
doing what it was doing, and after Erics, I felt like I did.  To summarize,
I would like to FORMALLY apologize to Jeanne for my post of yesterday,
and once again thank Eric for giving me the insights as to why I was
experiencing the problem in the first place.

Jim - you have given me the final insights I needed to make an intelligent
determination of how to solve the dilemma of my protection requirements.
Also, I have re-read many sections of my 4-book Hypercard library so that
I fully understand the mechanisms at issue here.

Thanks to all for your help...that includes Jeanne, Eric, and Jim, and
anyone else out there who was working on the solution, but didn't get
a chance to answer.

Tom Johnson  (tomj@oakhill.UUCP)

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