Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!vax1.cc.lehigh.edu!vlsi3b15!batman!nicholaA From: nicholaA@batman.moravian.EDU (Andy Nicholas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: contacts in Norman, OK Summary: hey, wait a minute... Message-ID: <1192@batman.moravian.EDU> Date: 9 Mar 90 17:16:05 GMT References: <9003050139.AA19408@apple.com> <39202@apple.Apple.COM> <1990Mar9.011652.26967@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> Organization: Moravian College, Bethlehem, PA Lines: 124 In article <1990Mar9.011652.26967@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>, bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) writes: >>Todd, what would you do if you were working 60+ hour weeks developing new >>products for the Apple II just to read on newsgroups like this one that >>you and your coworkers are "developing at a snail's pace"? > >>Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions represented here are > > Why in the world do you insist on shoveling sh*t at them?? [....] > your anger and frustration reports, direct to the "towers", and let the DTS > folks find their visits here more pleasurable, and let them do what they > do best, help with your programming, and/or technical problems.. > Good, because you're going to get flamed... **** FLAME ON **** Bob, of all people to complain about the way that people post frustrating news (from an apple employee's point of view), you should be the last to talk -- I mean, hey, who was the first person to broadcast on this net that the A2DA people had gone to cupertino and were told to "think mac" (when that may not in fact be true)? You want to post deliberately depressing drivel like that, yet you say that DTS should be given a break on this network? I find that somewhat hypocritical... ---- And, while we're here talking about A2DA, lets have a blast. This was written by Barney Stone on America Online: > Subj: Appologies & Excuses, etc. 90-03-06 10:18:07 EST > From: DBM Barney > > First of all, I still don't have a report to post on the Developer's > Association Summit meeting with Apple. I wrote a 3-page report last week, and > passed it on to Apple to make sure I was not breaking their confidentiality > agreements. I was hoping to post the report before last weekend. > Unfortunately, while Apple had no security problems with the report, some > controversy has arisen over one important issue, and about the overall tone > of the report. I've also had to deal with a death in my family and with > running my day-to-day business. > > Look for a report here by this weekend, and thanks for being patient. Possibly scenarios (that I've heard) about the A2DA meeting: It's fairly obvious that someone close to Barney Stone has died. Knowing this lets us put the following possibilities into a little perspective: (A) Someone close to Barney Stone dies. Barney is upset before, during, or after (definitely after) the A2DA meeting at Apple. Barney thinks it went bad because he is feeling very down. Thus the impression he gives everyone else is one of doom-and-gloom. Nothing went wrong with the meeting with Apple except for Apple presumed lack of enthusiasm for the Apple II. ...or... (B) Someone close to Barney Stone dies. Barney is frustrated and upset during the A2DA meeting. He blows up at Apple.(1) Apple tells Barney they are going to discontinue the Apple II just to piss him off. Barney is pissed AND hurt, but can't tell anyone because he's bound by non-disclosure by Apple. -1- If Barney knew that this person was ill or had died before going to Apple, I perceive that Barney acted somewhat irresponsibly by going to Apple in a very important capacity when his emotional state was not good. Good judgement is one of the qualities of a good leader. Good judgement under stress is one of the qualities of a -great- leader. I've seen Barney in action already, and I'm positive he lacks the latter. -2- If Barney found out about this person's death during his stay in Cupertino, instead of going to any meetings he should have excused himself to fly home and *NOT* take his emotional state into the meeting with Apple. Again, it's a question of judgement. -3- If Barney found out about this person's death AFTER the A2DA meeting with Apple, this would just add to the doom-and-gloom to which Barney subscribes after Apple told him proverbially 'where to get off.' Footnote #1: this was told to me by a reasonably reliable source that I trust, but haven't heard from in ages... ---- This leads us to ponder the following: (1) Did Barney blow up at Apple while at the A2DA meeting? Did someone else from A2DA blow-up at Apple and this has been ascribed to Barney? If Barney did blow-up at Apple at the A2DA meeting, did anyone realize that someone close to him had just died? Does anyone at Apple know? Did this person, in fact, die before, during, or after the A2DA meeting? (2) Did Apple respond to the presumed attack by Barney by telling him they were going to discontinue the Apple II? Was Apple serious? Or was Apple just trying to get a rise out of an already emotionally distraught Barney? (3) Will Barney's report be accurate or anywhere near reliable since he, still being upset, has to get Apple's permission before he posts anything anywhere? Will Barney's report be believable? At this point, I'm just DAMNED TIRED of having people talking in the shadows about all this. I highly respect Barney Stone as a person and an excellent programmer. Anything which I have said should not be construed otherwise. My comments were not made to reflect negatively on Barney, who, I'm sure, has enough to worry about right now. **** FLAME OFF **** andy These are my opinions, not necessarily fact, and are not the opinions held by Moravian College and its administration. -- Yeah!