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From: toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: Matt, please listen! (Was Re: contacts in Norman, OK)
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Date: 10 Mar 90 05:18:55 GMT
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In article <1785@crash.cts.com> tsouth@pro-pac.cts.com (System Administrator) writes:
>In-Reply-To: message from toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu

>I empathize with your furvor.  My suggestion, though, is to stop sending
>lengthy replies to DTS as it does no good.  Instead, you should inquire as
>to the best way to make your concerns heard by upper management if you
>really want to get something done.  I have posted numerous letters to them
>in the past, and eventually you will find that flaming your best friends
>and/or associates who BASICALLY FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT YOU DO EVEN IF THEY
>CAN'T LEGALLY ADMIT IT will do nothing more than make them feel
>unappreciated.

Well if they had TOLD ME THAT instead of taking it personally and flaming me
back this wouldn't have gotten as far as it has!

I have gotten the impression from their posts that they do not understand what
we are telling them and since they are DTS they OF ALL PEOPLE should know!!

Apple is supposed to encourage freedom of expression among its employees and
if they can get canned for publicly expressing personal dissatisfaction with
Apple's policies then it speaks very badly of Apple as a company. I don't
think that is really the case but it often seems like it.

Matt, Dave, how about it? Is Apple gagging you guys about company policy but
otherwise letting you do wonderful work? I can understand about unannounced
products but telling the outside world that the II has a real future I would
think should be encouraged instead of a non-disclosure agreement!

The rations of abuse we heap on you guys is due completely to the fact that
in our attempts to alert Apple to the situation out here we have found you
folks as an easy access point, which is really inappropriate for our particular
concerns... But please don't take it personally, give us an address of someone
who will be able to do something about it instead.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu