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From: billkatt@mondo.engin.umich.edu (billkatt)
Subject: Re: mac emulation
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 90 16:02:05 GMT

In article <1990Mar6.071906.4235@Neon.Stanford.EDU> philip@pescadero.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <14122@cbnewsc.ATT.COM>, daryl@cbnewsc.ATT.COM
>(daryl.l.monge) writes:
>> In article <39182@apple.Apple.COM> keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) writes:
>> >In article <1990Mar3.190730.15647@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
>dbplass@apple-juice.UUCP (David Plass) writes:
>> >>Could this be the beginning of a mac clone market?
>> >Not if I've got to buy a $25,000 Sun 3/60. Actually, I have no idea how much
>> >a Sun 3/60 costs

Hmmm..  Maybe everyone at Apple thinks a Sun 3/60 costs $25,000.  Maybe they
think their machines are cheap.
>> 
>> The current list for a 3/80 4MB 17" mono machine (diskless) is 6K.  Do
>> you still think a IIci is all that much cheaper?  A sparcstation I, 8MB
>> 17" mono is 9K.

Sure, but everyone who DOESN'T work at AT&T has to buy a Unix license.  How
much is that?  Last I remember, SunOS/UNIX cost ~$1500.
>> 
>> Apple needs to do something about prices.  I simply cannot affort a II.
>> -- 
>I fully agree. But I'm not sure the workstations come out that cheap. Start
>comparing software prices for the configuration you would like to use. You
>can buy a Mac II for the price of 3 good pieces of software for a Unix box
>(exception: NeXT comes loaded with good stuff, but I'm not sure this cuts
>the price of products you have to buy).

Actually, the software that comes with a NeXT is nothing to write home about.
It DOES have WriteNow, but the implementation is buggy.  I also question the
value if a Word Processor if you can't paste any pictures into it.  On the
NeXT, you can paste pictures into it, but there is no draw program worth
drawing pictures in.  The only draw program available is Adobe Illustrator, and
it doesn't come free.  Plus, have you ever tried to DRAW samething in
Illustrator?  It's great for tracing over stuff, but not for drawing.  Frame
comes with it, but I had just started into it when my "trial" license expired.
That's right, the version of Frame you get with the NeXT is time-bombed.  You
need to call in and buy the program to get a license number which makes it
work permanently.

-Steve